counseling those with panic attacks on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

Today I am joined by one of our board members here at ACBC, Nathan Curry. Nathan lives here in the

area in Kansas City. He lives on the Kansas side in Overland Park. He's the associate pastor at

Redeemer Presbyterian, a PCA church here in the area. He's the associate pastor at Redeemer Presbyterian,

a PCA church here in the area.

He's also the Training Center director

at Redeeming Grace Biblical Counseling Center here,

which is one of our certified training centers at ACBC.

So grateful for Nathan, his service on our board,

and also in the way in which he leads in biblical counseling, even at his own church.

And so Nathan, I'm so grateful that you're here to talk about this, but I would consider to be a very important subject that's often even somewhat confusing or makes people curious about how we would deal with in biblical counseling.

So the way I want us to start,

if we can, is to, when we talk about panic attacks, most people in the culture think about this

in terms of, yes, inner fears that we have or inner ways that we see anxiety flourishing, but also

they describe it partly because of the culture in the way in which the body experiences those types of panic

attacks. So if we can, let's start with that question. Like, let's consider some of the

inner man and outer man realities that people deal with in these things that we call panic attacks.

Yeah, Dale, I think it's really important that we not just compartmentalize ourselves. We're

body and soul nexus put together. So there are

inner man issues that affect our soul and our spirit as we as we think biblically that way. But

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