Why would the state seek to regulate biblical counseling on this edition of Truth and Love?

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions

for the problems that people face. And today on the podcast, I am excited that we can introduce to

you, Ed Wildy. Ed has been a lawyer in the state of California since 1989. He has taught at

Master's University since 2002. He's taught both counseling courses and also

courses in law there. He is married to Kelly as five children. Praise the Lord. One of them is

with the Lord even now. I've really enjoyed getting to know Ed these last several months.

We are working on a book together on counseling and

legal issues. And Ed, it's been really fun to get to know you. And for us to talk, you have

taught me a tremendous amount, even things that I was passionate about, but areas where I could

refine language. And so I'm grateful now to introduce you to our listening audience. And so thank you, brother, for being here.

Well, it's absolutely my pleasure to be here. Very good. Now, we're going to discuss today some,

obviously, some legal issues. This is important. And what I love about you, Ed, is God has gifted

you in such a way to think well about law, to think about

our legal system, how it works. You've operated in that space for quite some time, but you also

have a passion for God's church. You love the ministry of biblical counseling. You've taught this

at Master's University for several years, and so you intersect into a very unique space that is very helpful, a unique skill for so many in our movement.

And so as we talk today, pastors have all sorts of questions.

You and I have talked a number of times before.

A couple of great hindrances that I see consistently among pastors. The first is always

something to do with psychotropic medication and diagnostic criteria of the DSM. People are

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