reorienting the therapeutic on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

And this week on the podcast, I am delighted once again to have with us Dr. Sam Stevens.

And Sam serves here on our staff at ACBC as the director of Training Center certification.

And I love having this brother around. It's been fun for us as we talk

about the world of biblical counseling and all the things that face us even today. One of those

things that faces us in the culture today, especially for us who counsel and who counsel from a

biblical perspective, is we encounter the ideas of the therapeutic

world, therapeutic counseling. And it's not uncommon for us when we're trying to do biblical

counseling that we encounter folks who think in the normal way that our culture talks about

counseling and talks about helping people,

which is definitely from a therapeutic mindset.

And Sam, I think it would be helpful if we talk through some of this to help our listeners,

to help our counselors in particular, to think through some of the issues that they're going to

encounter when they see someone who walks in the door.

And this person is not,

you know, distinctly evil in their or malicious in what they're wanting to accomplish.

They are just being a product of the culture in which we live in.

And so what I want you to do first is just help us to connect this idea of the therapeutic mindset.

What do we mean by that? And then how do we

see this mindset appear in the counseling room and help us to think well about it? Sure. When we think

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