influential books on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association

of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

We are in the last 10 podcasts that I will host as the executive director of ACBC and as the host of

the Truth and Love podcast. And what we did for these last 10 is to ask the staff of ACBC

some of the topics they thought I should address ACBC some of the topics they thought I should

address. And one of the topics they thought I should speak about is the issue of influential

books. And so, Sean Perron, our operations director at ACBC, is here this week to talk about

influential books and how various books have impacted me.

So, Sean, we're glad you're on the podcast.

Heath, we are aware that one of the questions that people ask you all over the country is,

what is your favorite book?

And we know how much you dislike this question.

So we actually want to ask you this very question,

but we want to ask it as it relates to the various categories that you talk about in your

lecture, The Calling of All Christians, which you give at all of our counseling and

discipleship training events. So what are your favorite books in relation to the categories

that have influenced you in ministry? Well, Sean, you are being very kind to a lame duck

executive director and asking me this question because I do hate the question. What is your

favorite book? It's like asking me which of my children is my favorite

child. There are, I love my children more than books, by the way, so don't write a letter.

So it is more helpful for me to talk in terms of categories. And yeah, you're right at our

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