encouragement for busy dads on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association

of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

It is the week of Father's Day, and we are happy on the podcast this week to be honoring dads,

and we actually want to try to help dads. Our guest on the podcast this week is Dr. Mack Brunson,

who is the senior pastor of the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville,

Florida. And I am excited to have him on the podcast this week to talk about ministering to

busy dads because he has been one. And in fact, I would want you to know very personally,

something that I've said to him before, that in 2015, when he asked me to join him

in the ministry here at First Baptist, I said yes. And one of the reasons I said yes is because

his son, Trey, is a good friend of mine. And his son, Trey, has nothing but wonderful things to say about his dad.

Trey grew up with his dad.

He's worked with his dad.

And he loves his dad more now than he did before.

And I have said to Dr. Brunson that I wanted to come work here because I knew he was a good pastor because I knew he was a good dad.

And so we are happy to have Dr. Brunson here with us this week. because I knew he was a good pastor because I knew he was a good dad.

And so we are happy to have Dr. Brunson here with us this week.

And Dr. Brunson, there can seem to be a biblical tension between two texts of scripture for dads.

On the one hand, you've got 1 Timothy chapter 5, verse 8, that says, if anyone does not

provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he's denied the faith

and is worse than an unbeliever. And then you've got Ephesion 6, 4 that says to fathers, don't provoke your children to wrath,

but bring them up in the discipline and the instruction of the Lord. So you got dads, you got to work

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