trusting God in your trials on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association

of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people

face. The tagline of our podcast, biblical solutions for the problems people face, is predicated on a

guarantee that you will face problems. Jesus assures us that this world will give you trouble.

And so it's right that we talk about how to respond to trouble when it inevitably comes. Our guest this week on the podcast is Martha Peace.

Martha is a member of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, and she's been certified

with our organization since 1989. She is married to her

husband Sanford, and they just celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary, and she is the author of numerous

really helpful books, but the most recent one is entitled Modesty, more than a change of clothes.

And I invited her on the podcast this week to talk about trouble, not just because she's

been a biblical counselor and has helped many people and has written about these things, but she also

is a woman who has experienced this recently in a trial with her daughter, Anna. So Martha, welcome

and tell us about the recent trial you've gone through with Anna. Last November, almost Thanksgiving, Anna called me one morning and she said,

Mom, I have a lump in my breast.

And so I said, well, you got to go to the doctor right away.

And she did.

And they did test right away. They did a biopsy very quickly and it was cancer

and it was very very aggressive cancer so the the emotion that i felt was just fear. I was scared. And I remember thinking, I wish it were me.

And I just kept thinking that. And then I finally figured out that's not productive. It wasn't me.

It was her.

I remember when she called me to tell me about the biopsy, I got teary.

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