talking to a friend who's depressed on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

You know, all of us have been sad. Some of us have spent seasons in our life where we have been

really sad and have even received the label or the suspicion that we are depressed. This week on the podcast, we want to talk about

how to help the people in our lives who are struggling with this kind of intense sorrow.

I'm happy to be joined this week on the podcast by good friends, Dr. Ed Welch of the Christian

Counseling and Educational Foundation, and Stuart Scott, who is the director of membership

for the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors. I asked them if we could listen into a conversation

they were having about how to do ministry with our depressed friends, and here is what they said.

Ed, those struggling with depression are all around us. And sometimes they can be our closest friends.

How do we recognize depression when we see it in our friends?

That's a great question.

I think the principal, Stuart, is that we track the person's emotions.

And that seems,

it seems sort of fluffy in first glance,

but when you look at the Psalms,

that's,

that is what is important to the Lord.

He,

what are your fears?

What are the things that you're oppressed about?

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