TikTok vs the U.S.A. | Too Big to Fail | 3

Business Wars

Wondery

History, Business, David Brown, Management

4.6 • 13.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 February 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

TikTok realizes its attempts to prove to American lawmakers that the Chinese government doesn’t have access to American user data aren’t working, and they need to change tactics. Becoming more aggressive in their lobbying, TikTok taps into the millions of Americans who use the app to urge lawmakers not to ban TikTok. But their efforts come up short.

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0:00.0	Wonderry Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of Business Wars, TikTok versus the USA, early and ad-free right now.
0:07.6	Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
0:16.0	It's August 2022 in Washington, D.C.
0:23.8	Brendan Carr marches down the hallway in a huff.
0:27.5	Lobbyists from TikTok are meeting with his staff,
0:30.3	and while he knows he should let them handle the meeting,
0:33.5	he can't help himself.
0:35.5	Carr is a Federal communications commission appointee,
0:38.4	and he's been railing against the dangers posed by the app for months.
0:42.7	He wants to meet with TikTok CEO Shozzi Chu,
0:45.9	but the company has refused to make Chu available.
0:49.0	He'll have to settle for these lobbyists for now.
0:52.9	As the door swings open, everyone in the room turns to look at him.
0:57.4	Brendan, hi. Sorry, I'm late. Car wastes no time getting down to business. First question.
1:04.4	Your boss, Michael Beckerman, was on CNN recently, and he said that it was simply false that
1:08.9	TikTok collects biometric data, including face prints.
1:12.1	Well, I didn't see that specific appearance, but I believe you.
1:15.8	But it says in your terms of service that TikTok can collect face prints, so why would he say that if it's false?
1:22.3	I can't speak to exactly why Michael says one thing or another.
1:26.5	So, you admit that TikTok does collect
1:29.7	biometric data? I mean, I think it depends on what you mean by collect and how you define
1:35.9	biometric data. But it's not how I define it. It's how you define it in your terms of service.
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