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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Ticking Clock - with Yascha Mounk

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, Israel, Israel Podcast, Jonathan Freedland, Middle East, Jewish, Religion & Spirituality, Jews, Society & Culture

4.7680 Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

With American pressure on Israel mounting, Yonit speaks exclusively to US national security adviser Jake Sullivan about just how long Washington will give Israel in its fight against Hamas. Plus: Jonathan and Yonit talk to the leading political scientist Yascha Mounk about the trap of identity politics - and what exactly is going on in America’s universities. Follow us on Instagram and Facebook: Unholy Podcast.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0

The pressure is mounting, especially from Washington, on how long Israel has to fight its war on Hamas.

0:08.3

America's national security advisor speaks exclusively to Yonit, and we'll have a conversation with one of the keenest observers of America's public campus and intellectual life, telling us what on earth is going on in America's

0:23.2

universities. It's unholy. I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London. And I'm Unlevy

0:29.0

of Channel 12 in Tel Aviv. Unholy to Jews on the news.

0:43.0

It's been yet another somber week here in Israel.

0:47.0

Many soldiers dying this week in the Gaza Strip and the war that is continuing between Israel and Hamas. And we will talk about that later

0:56.1

in the show about what it means for the Israeli society when this death toll rises.

1:02.0

But the focus now has been really on the U.S. and the message is it's sending Israel,

1:07.8

remarks from the president, Joe Biden, in which he seemed to say his patience was running out.

1:13.4

He used a word that hadn't been used before by anyone in the White House saying

1:17.4

Israel was engaged in indiscriminate fire against Palestinians in Gaza.

1:23.7

That seemed a real upping of the ante, a very strong message.

1:27.3

And therefore, there was huge focus

1:28.6

on this visit on Thursday of the National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. Everyone was going to pay

1:34.6

very close attention to what he was saying. He only gave one interview in his visit. And, of course,

1:42.3

he chose to give that interview to you, your need. So you've got to tell us,

1:46.7

what did he say? Well, I thought it was a very interesting interview. And firstly, what he

1:52.6

talked about, what I asked about was the time frame. How long are you going to give Israel? Because

1:57.7

Israelis in general are very concerned that at some point the United States is going to push the brakes or pull out the stop sign and say, enough.

2:04.4

And he made a very clear distinction between the first stage of the war, the sort of high

2:09.6

intensity stage that we are in right now.

2:13.5

And what he thinks is the shifting into a different phase.

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