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Tiana Epps-Johnson on Lawsuits and the Big Lie

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🗓️ 27 November 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Tiana Epps-Johnson is the Executive Director of the Center for Tech and Civic Life, an organization which provides technical and financial assistance to election workers nationwide. If this sounds like it should be uncontroversial, hang on to your hats, folks. It is anything but. 

After her work in 2020 to help election workers conduct the presidential election under horrendously difficult COVID conditions and with inadequate budgets, Epps-Johnson found herself the subject of lawsuits, investigations by state attorneys general, and other forms of harassment. None of these have come to anything, but it's been extremely costly for the organization.

She joined Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes and Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic to tell the story. What does the Center for Tech and Civic Life really do? What was the nature of the attacks she faced? How much did it cost her organization to defend them, and how did she pay it? And what does it all mean for the future of safe elections in the United States?

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Watch all episodes of the new series of The Lazarus Project on Sky. Through the fall of 2020, I think that we ended up having that program sued across 10 states with

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frivolous lawsuits with ridiculous legal claims that were really an abuse of the court system to perpetuate a

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disinformation campaign.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the Law Fair Podcast November 27th, 2003.

1:36.5

Tiana Epps Johnson is the executive director of the Center for Tech and Civic Life, an organization which provides technical and

1:46.7

financial assistance to election workers nationwide.

1:51.9

If this sounds like it should be uncontroversial, well hang on to your

1:57.0

hats folks. It is anything but after her work in 2020 to help election workers conduct the presidential election

2:07.8

under horrendously difficult COVID conditions with inadequate budgets, Epps Johnson found herself the

2:15.9

subject of lawsuits, investigations by state attorneys general, and other forms of harassment.

2:24.4

None of these have come to anything,

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