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Pod Save the People

Through the Fire w/ Bench Ansfield

Pod Save the People

Crooked Media

Society & Culture, News, Politics

4.78.8K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

The U.S. threatens new sanctions on the International Criminal Court—so long as it agrees not to prosecute Donald Trump—while American service members quietly worry they’ll be left holding the legal bag for overseas military strikes. Plus, a reminder of what accountability and care can look like, as the Redd Family Collection of Black Art anchors community, history, and cultural power at the Tubman African American Museum. DeRay interviews author and historian Bench Ansfield about their book Born in Flames: The Business of Arson and the Remaking of the American City.

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Hey, this is Dore. I'm welcome to Posse the People. On this episode, it's me, Miles, and Sharonda, back to talk about the news with regard to race justice and equity. And then I sit down with the incredible historian, Bench Ansfield, to talk about their new book, Born in Flames, The Business of Arson, and the Remaking of the American City. The book revisits the wave of fires that toured through the Bronx in other American cities in the 1970s and challenges a story that many people were told. Here's the thing, I wasn't told any story. I read this book and was like, this is wild. I had no clue. Literally no clue it happened. Didn't know anything about who they blamed it on, what was true, not true. I think this will blow your mind. It blew my mind. Read the book. Listen to the interview. Here we go.

2:24.2

Last week of Runaway Country, Alex Wagner dug into the chaos at the Pentagon,

2:31.7

joined by three incredible guests. First, former CIA analyst and assistant secretary of defense, Senator Alyssa Slokkin. She joined to talk about her stance on both the boat strikes and signal gate and how it's been in the crosshairs of the president and his allies. Then Ben Rhodes weighs in on the reputational damage and what it says about America on the world stage. Lastly, Nancy Yusef, one of the journalists who gave her her Pentagon press pass

2:51.5

rather than bowed to authoritarian rules, shares what it's like reporting from outside the

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walls while holding hex up the countable.

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It's a jam-packed must-listen episode.

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Tune into Runaway Country Now on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.

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This is our last episode of 2025.

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It's been a long year.

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