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Through politics, fiction and her latest novel, Stacey Abrams aims to inspire action

NPR's Book of the Day

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4.2672 Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

Avery Keene has unraveled international conspiracies and investigated mysteries involving the Supreme Court, but now she's focused on what could be a deadly side of artificial intelligence. That's the setup for the novel Coded Justice, the latest legal thriller by Stacey Abrams, former Georgia State Representative and two-time gubernatorial candidate. In today's episode, Abrams joins NPR's Michel Martin for a conversation about the intersection of AI and healthcare, a GOP-led investigation into the New Georgia Project, and how Abrams views her role in politics today.

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0:00.0

Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. Stacey Abrams is on the podcast today,

0:07.3

talking about her new book, Coded Justice. It's the latest thriller in her Avery Keen series,

0:12.6

and this time Abrams is touching on the intersection between AI and healthcare. And Abrams is an

0:19.4

interesting figure. At this point, I'm not actually sure what

0:22.4

she's known more for, her work in politics and voting rights advocacy or her fiction. But in this

0:29.2

interview with Empires and Michelle Martin, Abrams says that they're both part of the same project,

0:34.2

which is to engage people, to help people find ownership in the things going on

0:38.6

in their lives and eventually take action.

0:41.9

That's ahead.

0:43.4

In the U.S., national security news can feel far away from daily life.

0:48.1

Distant wars, murky conflicts, diplomacy behind closed doors on our new show, sources and methods. NPR reporters on the ground bring you stories of real people, helping you understand why distant events matter here at home.

1:02.0

Listen to sources and methods on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:07.8

She's unraveled an international conspiracy involving a Supreme Court justice who's fallen mysteriously ill.

1:14.5

She's investigated a blackmailed federal judge and a secret court, and all that while she was still just a Supreme Court clerk.

1:21.8

This time, Avery Keane has finished her clerkship, but her quest for justice continues, this time focused on what could be

1:28.7

the deadly side of AI. And yes, Avery Keene is fiction, but her creator is very much real,

1:35.0

and someone who knows the corridors of power for herself. She's the former minority leader of

1:39.5

the Georgia House of Representatives and two-time gubernatorial candidate, Stacey Abrams.

1:47.9

Her latest thriller, and it really is a thriller, is called Coded Justice.

1:52.1

The book hits the stands tomorrow, and she's with us now to talk about this latest work.

1:52.4

Welcome.

1:54.2

Thank you so much for joining us once again. I appreciate the invitation and the chance to talk about Avery King.

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