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You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking killers in true crime history and the

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another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous killers in true crime

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Good evening. We never lock our doors. This is an often heard remark expressing a commonplace

American attitude or belief that, despite whatever danger might prevail in public spaces,

life inside our own homes remains or at least should remain safe, carefree, normal. This book

covers 13 high-profile cases in which evil paid an untimely visit and found the entrance open

when everything was normal until it wasn't. Cases include Tommy Lynn Cells, Joshua Commerce Oresky,

and Stephen J. Hayes, Paulie Kloss, Richard Ramirez, Richard Trenton Chase, Danny Rollings,

and others. The book that we're featuring this evening is through an unlocked door in Wax Murder.

With my special guest, journalist and author, Kevin Sullivan. Welcome back to the program. I

thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Kevin Sullivan. Well, thank you, Dan. It's always

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