Good evening.

You are listening to You Three Moves Ahead, the official podcast of Flash of Steel.com.

This is episode 85.

I'm your host, Rob Zakeney, filling in for a Troy Goodfellow who is traveling this week.

With me tonight is my podcast familiar, freelance writer Julian Rabbit Murdoch.

Does that mean I have to sit on your your shoulder like some godforsaken dragon or

something? That's what you do anyway, Joy. And joining us tonight is Hasbro game designer and board

game aficionado Rob Davio. Rob, thanks for coming on the show. No problem. Thanks for having me.

We also welcome back our friend Chris Rimo, formerly of Gamma Sutra and Idol Thumbs,

and now of Irrational Games. Chris, thanks for joining us.

Thanks for having me. Again.

For some reason.

Well, basically, I just want to talk about one game with you, and then you can leave.

Tonight we're discussing auctions, negotiations, and betrayals.

And this topic, we do owe a little bit to Chris and the rest of the Idol Thumbs

Diaspora because they put me onto a game called Vinehandler.

And that's a game that sort of made me reassess my view of games that involve bidding.

But more broadly, I thought it would be fun to talk about games that are as much about manipulating people as they're about manipulating systems.

And these guys know all about manipulating people.

That's how I get on the show.

You know, I don't think I had a choice.

So, yeah, but I thought an easy place to start would be to it would be to talk about vinehandler um just because right now it's sort of the

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