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Three Moves Ahead 558.5: Movie Night: Gettysburg (Patreon Preview)

Three Moves Ahead

Idle Thumbs

Strategy, Strategy Games, War, Games & Hobbies, War Games, Games, Video Games

4.8532 Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2022

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

Over on Waypoint I’ve spent about a month looking back at Sid Meier’s Gettysburg and teaching the game to the rest of the crew (with varying levels of success). But since I was already hip-deep in 90s Civil War culture, Troy and I decided it was time to tackle one of the films that we’ve been intending to discuss for years: 1993’s Gettysburg, directed by Ron Maxwell and bankrolled by Ted Turner. There are a lot of issues with Gettysburg. It’s evasive on the subject of slavery, wanting both to ennoble is white Union heroes by reminding us that theirs was an army of liberation but to not think too deeply on who was being liberated or from what. Because it is also a product of Lost Cause traditions where the conflict was predominantly one about culture, or as the foppish British observer in this story declares, the root of the conflict is the “different dreams” of its antagonists. Not pictured: the Confederate dream. It’s also a very incomplete military history of the battle of Gettysburg but this really stems from the decisions author Michael Shaara made with his novel The Killer Angels, which finds its central narrative drama in James Longstreets’ prescience that Robert E. Lee is marching the army into a decisive defeat while on the Union side the story is told from the perspective of characters who do recognize the stakes and the dangers and have the agency to rise to the moment. It’s the stuff of a great war novel but not of a comprehensive military history, and so Gettysburg ends up being a film where Union command is effectively invisible. However, within those choices Gettysburg remains, as Troy says, one of the all-time great battle films. The murkiness in which decisions are made, the clarity of a commander’s intentions to his subordinates, the places where the rubber of generalship meets the road of combat… all of this is brilliantly rendered in Gettysburg and, for me and Troy, maintains it as a favorite even for all of its manifest flaws. We also decided that this episode, because it’s so directly in dialogue with a ton of work I’m doing over at Waypoint and on streams there, is one we’d just make public instead of reserving it for the Patreon. Troy and I love having these monthly chats for our backers (and our last one on Knight’s Tale and Marie Antoinette was another favorite) but here it felt like a useful place to show how we set these discussion about history movies in the context of all the other work we do as critics and professional strategy nerds. And by the way, after having tackled some heavier films of late, next month we’re giving ourselves a break with Branagh’s Death on the Nile as well as the 1978 version. Troy is trying to convince me to watch the Suchet one was well, and while Suchet is basically to Poirot what Jeremy Brett is to Sherlock Holmes, I’ve been warned that version is not one of the better Suchet adaptations. But we will at least be alluding to it in that conversation, even if we are focusing on the 2021 and ‘78 versions.

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0:00.0

Hey all, this is Len. Before we get into this edition of Movie Night with Robin Troy, I just

0:07.0

wanted to say, since we're putting this out on the main feed as sort of a little preview

0:11.0

of what you can get access to, if you subscribe to the Patreon at $5 or more, including

0:18.0

lots and lots and lots of back episodes of this and future episodes of this.

0:22.2

And it's going to be reaching a little bit of a wider audience than just our Patreon audience.

0:26.6

I wanted to mention that because it is the film Gettysburg that they are discussing.

0:31.9

And they discuss a lot of aspects of the film, including ones that are closely tied to racism and slavery.

0:39.7

At one point, I believe a character is quoted who, you know, in the film uses some

0:45.4

racially charged language. So just a little bit of a content warning at the beginning here

0:50.5

in case any of that would cause you to think, oh, maybe I don't want to watch this,

0:56.5

or don't want to listen to this episode or maybe you don't want to listen to it right at this

1:00.0

moment. And that's all. Anyway, on with the show. Good evening and welcome back to 3MAs April

1:08.3

movie night. I'm your host, Rob Zackney, joined by Troy Goodfellow.

1:12.7

Troy, I somehow convinced the Waypoint gang that it was time to play Sid Meyers-Gettysburg

1:20.0

for our Waypoint 101 series.

1:22.7

But it turns out that all I did was infect myself with Civil War fever.

1:28.1

Now, not an actual Civil War fever.

1:29.6

I'm not like dying of diphtheria or something or like, you know, catching some sort of wasting disease in the Chesapeake.

1:39.1

But I am suddenly reading more Civil War history again.

1:43.4

And I felt like the time has never been better

1:45.6

to tackle a movie that you and I inevitably knew we would have to on this series.

1:53.2

1993's reenactor Festival, Gettysburg, starring Martin Sheen, Jeff Daniels, and Tom Berringer.

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