Good morning. Welcome to Three Moves Ahead, the podcast about strategy games of all sorts.

I'm your host, Bruce Garrick, and today I have famous designer Mark Herman.

Mark, welcome to the show, or welcome back, I guess.

Yeah, we've had several nice conversations. Well, hopefully we'll get to the same room one day.

We'll play a game.

That's right, exactly. So I wanted to talk to you because I wanted to talk about Pacific War

Strategic Games of World War II. And you've designed two of them. And we were just talking about

another one. I'm going to do actually, I think, a series on these things. And we were talking

about Pearl Harbor. That's a game by John Prydos from back in, I think it's like 79 or something

like that. It's actually, in essence, it's the companion game to Third Reich, actually. I think

that's what he originally intended. And for some reason, I don't remember that, you know,

you'd have to ask John why it didn't get published by Avalon Hill, but I think GDW did it.

Yes, he did. Yeah. And it's a really good game. In fact, it's one of the few that I play

regularly that, you know, is an Empire of the Sun actually. So it's really quite a good game. And it's

also one of the few that feels like a strategic game to me. Okay. Now, they did do, there's,

you have Empire of the Sun, but there's Empire of the Rising Sun, which is an Avalon Hill game from,

I think it was the mid-90s, maybe. And that feels, that is sort of, I think, the companion to Third Reich, but it wasn't designed by John Pradoes.

No, I think, well, I, so there's, look, again, this, I could have this incorrect, but, you know, you got Third Reich, and then there was advanced Third Reich.

And I think that that Pacific game is more in the milieu of the

advanced third rike a path that was taken and was not a direct you know it in words prodoses

uh you know john uh did uh pearl harbor as like the equivalent of his original Third Reich game.

Then they did advanced Third Reich.

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