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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Thompson v. United States

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

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National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court held that 18 U.S.C. § 1014, which prohibits making a “false statement” for the purpose of influencing certain financial institutions and federal agencies, does not prohibit making a statement that is misleading but not false.

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0:00.0

We will hear argument first this morning in case 23, 1095, Thompson v. United States.

0:06.1

Mr. Gare.

0:07.4

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, Section 1014 punishes only false statements,

0:13.8

not true but misleading ones. And we know that from the text, the context in the statutory

0:19.3

code, and this Court's precedence. At the outset,

0:23.5

at its most basic, the word false means not true. It is therefore impossible to suggest that

0:30.5

the statute that punishes false statements includes some types of true statements. False

0:36.9

and truant misleading are different concepts.

0:40.3

When Congress means to prohibit both, it does so explicitly using both terms as it has in over 100

0:48.0

places in the United States Code.

0:50.8

The government would put this all down to serial, thoughtless redundancy, but that violates the first principle of statutory interpretation to heed the text.

1:02.0

The courts below erroneously held that Section 1014 punishes misleading statements in addition to false ones.

1:11.6

We are asking the Court to correct that legal error and to remand to the courts below

1:16.6

for determination of whether Mr. Thompson's statements were false or only misleading.

1:23.2

I welcome the Court's questions.

1:25.6

How would you define false and how would you define or distinct and distinguish that from misleading?

1:32.7

A false statement is one that is not true when compared to the objective facts.

1:40.3

A misleading statement is a statement that depends on the reasonable hearer's understanding.

1:49.3

The term misleading is, by its nature, focuses on what the hearer hears.

1:55.1

The term false relates to an objective fact about the universe.

1:59.5

Do you think there could be overlap between the two?

2:02.4

There definitely is overlap, Your Honor.

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