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This idea of being born in the wrong body to me just

has such a tinge of shame to it.

Like it's just, it feels like such a shameful self-conception and I just couldn't ever

believe that about myself.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 15 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, a conversation with Thomas McBie about masculinity from the point of view of a trans man.

And there are of course moments where I felt and still feel like I catch myself in the mirror

and I'm just like, that's awesome.

Here's Debbie, first for a word from our sponsor.

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Trust me, I know this firsthand. That's why I love to stay at

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