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One of the Nazi spies is hit by a car, the other spy walking with him.

Instead of attending to his colleague, picks up the satchel of papers and he runs off.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the co-hosts of the podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world.

On Wicked Words, I sit down with the people I've met along the way,

amazing writers, journalists, filmmakers, and podcasters

who have investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases.

This is about the choices writers make, both good and bad,

and it's a deep dive into the unpublished details behind their stories.

I love a good spy story. We've talked about spies embedded with the American government.

We've discussed librarians and academics researching in the basement of the Library of Congress during

World War II. And now we're talking with Thomas Mayer about a very

unlikely spy. A former football player turned spy for Winston Churchill. It's all in Mayer's book,

The Invisible Spy. With this story, what are the parallels do you think of what we're seeing today, not even

necessarily in the United States, but around the world, you know, editors will want to know

how does this book resonate with readers today? What do you say? I think this book is ripped right

out of the headlines of today. We're talking about the impact and the importance of espionage, how it plays out.

A big part of the book is also about the propaganda campaign that the British at Rockefeller

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