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The Brentford story is remarkable in many, many ways. Belief is everything. I go into every game,

believe we can win. Yes, data is important. But I think culture beats everything.

If you want to achieve anything, have any ambitions, you need to be brave enough to stand out there.

Because if you don't take the step, there's no chance you're going to fulfill your dreams

or your ambitions. That's the voice of Brentford manager, Thomas Frank, who joins us on today's high performance,

the podcast where we explore the experiences, the challenges and the mindsets behind some of the

most incredible people in the world. Remarkably, Thomas is the second longest serving manager

in the Premier League, and although his playing career was unremarkable, his achievements with Brentford have been quite the opposite. He took them to

promotion from the championship in the summer of 2021 with his trademark being the high energy,

fearless approach that the bees embody. Myself and Damien loved being welcomed into the

home dressing at Brentford to sit down with Thomas

and find out how he's done it, Damien.

And as you're going to hear, Thomas was keen to talk about what people have got wrong about Brentford.

We were also really surprised by some of his revelations which he shared about how the club is run.

Thomas reveals which players he trusts to enforce his standards when his back is turned,

and he also explains why you don't have to have been a horse to be a jockey.

As someone who's worked in the England football camp,

it was a real treat for me to be able to pick the brains of one of the most considered and intelligent managers in the game today,

and more importantly, to see how he's managed to achieve such an impressive record.

I've spent a long time working in football with managers, with players, with pundits,

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