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The Good Fight

Thomas Chatterton-Williams

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2018

⏱️ 55 minutes

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In this episode of The Good Fight, Yascha Mounk talks to Thomas Chatterton-Williams, one of the leading black writers of his generation, about why essentializing race plays into the hands of the racists and how to talk about identity in a more productive way. Email: thegoodfight@newamerica.org Twitter:@Yascha_Mounk This podcast was made in collaboration with New America.  Podcast production by John T. Williams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:40.4

contradiction. That's a long way of saying I don't want my daughter to just not look

0:44.7

black and escape the wound. I also want her to never aspire or transition into whiteness either.

0:50.5

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:54.0

Welcome to the podcast that searches for the ideas, policies and strategies that can be to for a time

0:59.0

populist like Donald Trump over the next four years and the next 40.

1:06.1

Just a couple days ago, more in common, a great organization founded in the wake of the

1:11.2

murder of the British MP Joe Cox in the wake of the murder of the British MP Joe Cox in the run-up to the Brexit referendum

1:17.0

has published a really interesting study that basically tries to understand different kind of tribes within the United States,

1:27.0

tries to look at what exactly the nature of our partisan polarization is.

1:32.0

And there's two big lessons that come out of that for me.

1:34.8

The first is that there is this debate about whether we should mobilize the base in the

1:40.5

midterms and in 2020, whether we should look for swing voters.

1:44.4

And what their kind of categories make quite clear is that the answer is yes and

1:49.9

and that the nature of the base is a little different from what people think.

1:54.0

So on their characterization, there's a kind of tribe of progressive activists,

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