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Hi, I'm Otto.

Welcome to Aaron Sarah's podcast.

So today, you know, I was about to say it's bittersweet, but it's actually only sweet.

Erin could not join. So I was like, okay, who is the person that people always want for my life?

And it's Ben Bruno, you know? It's Ben Bruno. I think because we are all in this era of, like, let's be honest,

like we all want to feel good. We all want to look good. We all, we all know that when we work out,

we feel better. It's just very hard to motivate. It's very hard to do it. I've been there a million

times. I'm kind of in that place right now. But he really showed up today. Okay. He

showed up with tangible tips, not annoying like you can buy my book tips, like, you know,

where you just give someone a little bit and then because they're just trying to get you to buy

their book. He wouldn't even, he told me not even to promote his app. I'm like,

Ben, he's like, no, I just want to give your, your followers, you know, tips. We don't have to talk

about the app. I'm like, Ben, you have an app. Like, people want the app. So he really, I mean,

as much as I know, because I'm now like a full workout person and I work out with him obviously. I learned so

much from this episode. It was it was also really nice because he's, we have such a funny

relationship. We've known each other for so long. He's like a brother in a lot of ways, but he really,

he's very smart. I always forget he went to Columbia, which we talked about not my favorite school at this time,

but when he went there, it was very, very good.

And he really just, the tips, the food, the diet, specific exercises to do, mindset, mental health.

We talked jump row.

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