This will transform the way you look at Israel's Western facilitated genocide of the Palestinian people.

Many of you will be aware, actually, of the crucial work of forensic architecture.

For example, when five-year-old Hind Rajab was killed alongside with her family, her four cousins,

her older relatives, and then two paramedics who were dispatched to try and

savor were also killed. Forensic architecture is detailed study of exactly what happened,

how far the tanks were away with bullets which riddled through the car.

And the various statistics, which I've often used to talk to you, for example, the 82% of plant life

destroyed by Israel in Gaza. So much of our understanding of this genocide has come through

the crucial work of forensic architecture, whose work has been used as part of South Africa's

case against Israel at the International Court of Justice, of course, on genocide.

I'm really delighted to be joined today by the brilliant U.S. Weissman, who is the author of Ungrounding, you can see here, the architecture of genocide.

Firstly, thanks so much for joining us.

I just want to start by asking.

I mean, one of the things you talk about in the book is you kind of ask, what is this all for?

Is there any kind of point almost?

Because Israel enjoys the impunity that it has.

We saw yesterday, Ben Gavir doing a video where he abuses activists who are part of the global flotilla

and not to disparage,

also undermine the horror of what they went through. It's the tiniest, tiniest slither of what

Palestinians have been subjected to. And yet there's outrage and uproar, even though we have

overwhelming evidence, including on video, what Palestinians have been subjected to. So I guess

my question is, you know, do you ask yourself,

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