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Help us inform other podcast listeners by subscribing to the Issues Et cetera podcast with YouTube, Spotify, and Apple. I remember the first time I heard about Stephen Ferdick of Elevation Church.

He was a rising star in American evangelicalism, a young pastor who is obviously, well,

at least by the standards of pop American evangelicalism, going someplace.

He certainly has gone some places.

Initial message, I remember I was kind of shocked here it was, well, if you're a Christian,

the church isn't for you.

The church is for unbelievers.

You kind of have to take care of yourself.

That's how he started out.

Where has he been since? Welcome

back to Issues, etc. I'm Todd Wilkin. It's time for this week in Pop Christianity. Pastor Chris

Rosebro joins us to talk about a recent sermon by Stephen Ferdig titled When You Just Can't Win.

Chris is pastor of Kansfinger Lutheran Church in Oslo, Minnesota, and creator and host of the YouTube channel Fighting for the Faith.

Chris, welcome back.

Thanks for having me back, Todd.

In Big Box mega churches, pop Christianity, what percentage of the preaching that they hear there is theological and what percentage is basically psychological?

Good question. I would say it's heavily weighted in this psychological and almost to the

point of like emotionally manipulative type of psychological. When it comes to theology and doctrine and legitimately exegeting

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