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This Week in Impeachment: Testifying Anyway

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 October 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

One week ago, the White House released a letter effectively stating to House Democrats: no more witnesses, no more documents. This week, witnesses in the impeachment inquiry lined up to testify on Capitol Hill, and a cascade of revelations ensued. How much damage did they do to the president? And how will the White House counterpunch?

Guest: Jeremy Stahl, senior editor at Slate

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0:00.0

Last week in impeachment.

0:08.4

That letter is an astonishing document, Mary.

0:11.7

The White House wrote a letter saying cooperation was not an option.

0:15.4

In terms of an impeachment process that requires accommodation.

0:25.9

It is, as a starting posture, we're not accommodating anyone about anything.

0:27.0

Suck it.

0:30.7

But could giving Congress the finger save the president?

0:36.1

You know, the way I read this letter was almost as if they were like amputating a leg, sort of. So basically, it may hobble them, but it may save the patient in the end.

0:40.9

Yeah, pretty much.

0:45.9

So Jeremy, last week in impeachment, I mean, do you remember last week in impeachment?

0:52.4

I don't remember Tuesday in impeachment, Mary.

0:55.4

Jeremy Stahl is a senior editor at Slate.

0:58.0

This week, he'll be our impeachment guide.

1:00.4

I will do my best to remember Tuesday in impeachment.

1:03.2

I'll say that.

1:04.1

He says the surprising thing about the last couple of days

1:06.7

is the long line of federal employees who are ignoring last week's orders.

1:12.5

Despite instructions from both the White House in that letter and from the Secretary of State,

1:17.8

Mike Pompeo, in a previous letter to say that they would not be allowed or authorized to testify

1:23.6

without White House counsel or State Department counsel present. You know what? They testified

1:28.8

without the counsel present and they seem to be just fine. Fiona Hill testified before lawmakers

1:34.4

for more than nine hours yesterday. Fiona Hill planned to tell lawmakers that the president's

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