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This Sequoia-backed lab thinks the brain is 'the floor, not the ceiling' for AI

Equity

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4.2 • 372 Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

AI lab Flapping Airplanes just landed $180 million in seed funding from the likes of Google Ventures, Sequoia, and Index to do something most labs have quietly given up on: making models learn like humans instead of vacuuming up the internet. The founding team, made up of brothers Ben and Asher Spector and co-founder Aidan Smith, is betting that radically more data-efficient training could open the door to entirely new AI capabilities.  Today on Equity, TechCrunch AI editor Russell Brandon sits down with all three founders to discuss why investors wrote such a large check for a lab with no product, what becomes possible with more efficient AI, and why they're prioritizing creativity over credentials.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why the Flapping Airplanes team is focused on research first, commercialization later  What the "neolabs" generation means for AI development  How they plan to make AI models 1,000x more data efficient. A hint? The team thinks the brain is "the floor, not the ceiling" for AI capabilities  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

To be or not to be.

0:02.8

Right now we're offering a range of incentives across Audi models.

0:06.5

That is the...

0:07.5

But only until the 28th of February.

0:10.0

The...

0:10.7

Um...

0:12.0

So stop whatever you're doing.

0:14.4

Um... I'll be right back.

0:17.1

Just carry on without me.

0:18.3

And find yours online or at Finchley Road, Audi.

0:21.5

Audi, four-sprung Duck Technic.

0:23.8

Terms and conditions apply.

0:25.1

Selected models, retail customers, and participating Audi centers only.

0:29.9

Hello and welcome back to Equity, TechCrunch's flagship podcast about the business of

0:34.0

startups.

0:34.8

I am TechCrunch AI editor Russell Branden taking over for Rebecca

0:38.0

Boulon. And in this episode, we are talking to the three founders of flapping airplanes,

0:42.8

a research-driven AI startup looking for more data-efficient ways to train large language models.

0:56.7

Gentlemen, why don't you introduce yourselves? Okay, so hi, I'm Asher.

0:57.7

I'm a co-founder of Flapping Airplanes.

0:59.5

I'm Benjamin.

1:00.5

I'm also a co-founder of Flapping Airplanes.

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