This Messy, Gorgeous Love—a Conversation with Tara and Devon and Nico Hase

Tara Brach

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Buddhism, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 11.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Tara is joined by two longtime friends and wonderful teachers, Devon and Nico Hase, to explore their recent book, This Messy, Gorgeous Love: A Buddhist Guide to Lasting Partnership. This refreshingly real and relatable book offers guidance for anyone wanting to deepen love in their relationships. Drawing from their own lived experience—with humor, humility, and insight—Devon and Nico reveal how partnership can be both challenging and profoundly transformative.

In this conversation, they explore what truly supports a deep and loving partnership: how to meet conflict and reactivity, how practice comes alive in everyday moments, how to bring mindful presence into sexuality, and how reflecting on impermanence can deepen intimacy. While centered on intimate partners, the teachings speak to the whole field of our relationships.

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0:00.0	Welcome, friends, to the Tara Brock podcast. I'm so glad you're here.
0:11.3	Each week, I share teachings and guided meditations to help us awaken our hearts and bring healing
0:17.8	to our world.
0:24.4	You can learn more or support this offering by visiting tarabrock.com,
0:27.1	where you can also join our email list.
0:32.5	Now, let's explore together
0:34.7	the many ways we can live
0:36.7	from the love and presence that's our deepest
0:40.1	essence.
0:47.6	Namaste. Welcome, friends.
1:13.3	Today I'm excited to introduce you to two teachers who are also very dear friends and colleagues.
1:20.4	I've known them for decades and really love them.
1:23.5	This is Devon and Nico Haja, and they've both served as mentors in our teacher training and their wonderful teachers,
1:32.3	deep, deep practitioners.
1:35.3	Some of you might know their earlier book.
1:37.3	It's called How Not to be a Hot Mesh, a Buddhist survival guide for modern life.
1:46.4	So now they've written a new one.
1:51.6	It's called This Messy, Gorgeous Love, a Buddhist Guide to Lasting Partnership.
1:57.0	And you'll sense that the common denominator here is an embracing of mess.
2:03.6	So in that spirit, this book is really one of the most real books around for anyone wanting to deepen love in their relationships. And it conveys what these two have lived through
2:10.6	together with so much honesty and insight and humor. It really makes clear how partnership is by nature challenging and humbling
2:21.4	when we're paying attention. And also how partnership is one of the most powerful and rewarding
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