This Isn’t An Immigration System- It’s Chaos
The Dr. Phil Podcast
Dr. Phil McGraw
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🗓️ 19 December 2025
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
Ten-year waits. Cold War laws. And a system that trains the world’s smartest people… then tells them to leave. Immigration attorney Deron Smallcomb explains why America isn’t losing the talent race, we’re sabotaging it.
Secure borders. Fair asylum. Smart immigration.
We can have all three once we put common sense above politics.
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| 0:00.0 | This system is broken. Is it not? It was different in the Ellis Island days because we weren't a welfare state there. |
| 0:06.0 | If you came here, you're going to work your ass off and a lot of people left. |
| 0:09.0 | We don't just need to be bringing people in based on asylum. We should be recruiting people. |
| 0:15.0 | I agree 100%. We need to be able to attract the best and the brightest from around the world. |
| 0:20.0 | That's American exceptionalism. |
| 0:22.6 | Those that want to come to the land of opportunity and we want to give them that opportunity. |
| 0:26.6 | How do we get those people here? |
| 0:32.6 | I think a question on a lot of people's mind right now is, is there a way to have secure borders and a fair |
| 0:39.5 | asylum process and at the same time welcome the best talent on earth? Now, my guest is Darren Smallcombe, |
| 0:48.7 | and he says yes. Now, Darren is an immigration attorney, a best-selling author of Securing America's Future, |
| 0:56.1 | a blueprint for 21st Century Immigration Reform. |
| 1:00.0 | Now, he says the system that we have right now, which is backed up to hell and gone, |
| 1:06.4 | wasn't built for the world that we now live in. |
| 1:09.2 | It was built for the Cold War and that it |
| 1:11.6 | just flat needs to change. And I'll tell you before we even start, I agree with him because |
| 1:17.4 | we've got people now that are looking at 10, 12 more years trying to get a date with an immigration |
| 1:27.2 | court to come in legally. And Darren, thank you. trying to get a date with an immigration court |
| 1:28.6 | to come in legally. |
| 1:30.3 | And Darren, thank you for being here to talk about this. |
| 1:33.2 | Happy to be here, Dr. Phil. |
| 1:34.3 | You know, I've spent a lot of time with the president on this. |
| 1:37.9 | I've spent a lot of time with Tom Holman, |
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