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Win Today: Your Roadmap to Wholeness

This Is Why You Keep Having the Same Argument. Jason VanRuler on the Wound Behind Every Fight You Can't Escape.

Win Today: Your Roadmap to Wholeness

Christopher Cook

Mental Health, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.9 • 528 Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

You have already tried the conversations. You have tried slowing down, choosing better words, waiting for the right moment. And still something derails it — the same wall, the same disconnect, the same feeling that you are speaking into air. What you have probably not tried is understanding why you communicate the way you do, and more importantly, where that pattern came from.

Jason VanRuler is a licensed psychotherapist, author, and nationally recognized speaker whose new book, Discovering Your Communication Type, names a truth that changes everything: your communication style was not chosen — it was formed, shaped by the environment you needed to survive as a child. In this conversation, Jason introduces the PATHS model (Peacemaker, Advocate, Thinker, Harbor, Spark), but the framework is only the surface. Beneath it is something more confronting: most heated arguments are not about words. They are about wounds. And the same survival instincts that protected you then are likely the ones sabotaging your closest relationships now.

What does it cost a relationship when secrets corrode it slowly, the way carbon monoxide fills a room — undetectable until real damage is done? What happens when you lead with your explanation instead of your apology, and why does that single inversion invalidate everything that follows? If you have been in survival mode so long that dysregulation feels like Tuesday morning, this conversation names the path out — and the grief that comes with it. The question Jason puts to you, whether he says it directly or not, is this: do you actually want connection, or do you want validation for remaining exactly as you are? Only one of those is available here.

Guest Bio

Jason VanRuler is a licensed psychotherapist, author, and nationally recognized speaker based in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, specializing in communication, attachment, and relationships. He is the author of Discovering Your Communication Type: The 5 Paths to Deeper Connections and Stronger Relationships and founder of a thriving private practice. Jason leads retreats, workshops, and intensives for couples and organizations, and hosts his own podcast, Ok, What's Next? He lives with his wife and three children.

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The Art of Leadership Network.

0:03.0

This week on Win Today.

0:05.0

I also think, you know, if you're ever hurt or you take something personally,

0:09.0

it's good just to verify that's what the person meant to do.

0:12.0

So if I would say to you, hey, that was wildly offensive, did you mean to be wildly offensive?

0:17.0

Most people are going to say, no, I didn't mean that at all.

0:20.0

That wasn't my goal goal but this is what

0:22.4

i think sometimes just that idea of what you're talking about is the verifying like what did

0:27.7

you really mean there hey you guys welcome to the podcast thanks so much for joining me again this

0:32.6

week as you might suspect we're taking the deep dive into relationships today. This might be your story.

0:38.9

We've had the same argument before. Maybe not the same words, but the same outcome. Separation,

0:46.2

disconnection, more distance than when you started, more certainty that the other person just doesn't

0:53.2

get it because they always do this and they

0:55.8

never do that you're not wrong about the distance you're probably wrong though about the cause

1:02.2

here's what most of us miss we're not bad communicators just because we lack the right scripts

1:08.3

we're bad communicators because we're running patterns that

1:12.7

were installed in us before we had any say in the matter. Patterns that made complete sense

1:18.6

in the environment that formed them and that are quietly dismantling every relationship we care

1:24.3

about now. And underneath almost every heated argument, of course,

1:28.3

is not a communication failure. It's a wound. You know, a lot of the communication

1:34.4

conflicts that we run into are not about words. They're about wounds. It's easier to fight

1:40.9

with someone than to sit with the possibility that what they said is

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