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That's Bitman Project.com. dot com. Hi folks, vanilla and chocolate, two of the most beloved flavors in the world, have been linked since the beginning.

Both products, the vanilla bean and the cacao pod originated in Mexico thousands of years ago

where Aztec's used vanilla to make the bitter cocoa powder in their sacred chocolate

drink more palatable. Today these two flavors in both natural and artificial forms

dominate our dessert options from ice cream scoops to the sweet snacks and grocery aisles.

But most of the producers of both ruthlessly extract wealth from communities in the global south

and come with all of the environmental and social problems of a system that leaves small older farmers in poverty.

How can we reconcile our love? that leaves small older farmers in poverty.

How can we reconcile our love

of these essential flavors

with their problematic production?

Can we hold large companies accountable

and is it possible to produce vanilla and chocolate in a different and better way?

In this comprehensive episode of Food Prince what you're eating, our friend, partner, and contributor, Jerusalem

explores all of these questions, along with special guests

Jennifer Badges, from Hylala Vanilla,

Tim McCollum from Beyond Good Chocolate and Vanilla, and Ali Brodney from Corporate Accountability Lab.

Listen to what you're eating wherever you get your podcasts. The conversation that Mark and I had for today's episode was one of our favorites since we

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