This Is the Exact Moment America Stopped Being a ‘Nation of Laws’

The New Abnormal

The Daily Beast

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🗓️ 15 April 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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The New Abnormal hosts Andy Levy and Danielle Moodie think the Trump administration’s handling of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s wrongful deportation is a bad omen for its view of the constitution. Then, Douglas Rushkoff, author of Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires, joins the show to talk about all things tech bros. Plus! Formal federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner stops by to explain why America is in the midst of a constitutional crisis—and what to expect next.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Andy Levy, former Fox News and CNN-HLN guy and current cable news conscientious objector.
0:06.1	I'm a former libertarian who now sits pretty comfortably on the left.
0:09.6	Hi, I'm Danielle Moody, former educator and recovering lobbyist.
0:13.4	But today, I'm an unapologetic, woke commentator on America's threats to democracy.
0:18.5	And I'm producer Jesse Cannon, and I'm here to make sure things don't go too far off
0:22.1	the rails.
0:23.0	We're here to have fun, smart conversations with some of the most knowledgeable and entertaining
0:27.1	people in politics, media, and beyond.
0:29.6	Our goal is to try and make sense of our current crazy world, our new abnormal, and hopefully
0:35.2	even make you laugh through the tears.
0:37.3	What a great show we have for you today.
0:39.1	Douglas Rushkoff, author of Survival of the Riches,
0:41.5	joins us to talk about why tech bros are obsessed with escape fantasies,
0:44.8	how AI exposes the systems programming our lives,
0:48.1	and why he's not that mad that his book might get banned from a high school.
0:51.2	Then, former federal prosecutor and host of Justice Matters,
0:54.3	Glenn Kirchner joins us to explain why we're already living in a constitutional crisis and what
0:58.5	happens next if no one enforces the Supreme Court's decisions. But first, let's have some fun.
1:04.5	Five years, Danielle, that's how long the new abnormal has been on air. This is our fifth
1:10.8	anniversary. So, happy anniversary to us.
1:14.4	Thank you, Andy. Happy anniversary to you. I'll look out for my champagne in the mail.
1:21.2	Oh, God. Meanwhile, here we are five years into the podcast and I think probably further along into devolving into
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