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For this episode, we bring you a conversation between two visionary filmmakers,

Paul Schrader and Sophia Coppler.

Paul and Sophia have much in common, as writer directors who've built careers entirely outside the studio system, each making movies only they can make.

We were excited to bring them together to talk about Paul's new movie first reformed and what it's like to be a filmmaker today.

A warning. If you haven't seen First Reformed, you'll want to skip ahead exactly two minutes when

Sophia asked Paul about the movie's ending. Here's Paul Schrader and Sophia Coppola.

All right. Now, Sophia, I'm Paul Schrader.

I'm Sophia, couple.

Have we met?

I feel like I've met you as a kid.

I remember.

Yeah, I was the last time I met you,

you were about half as tall as you are. But I remember you coming to, I met you at a lunch in my adult life because I remember asking

you about American Jiggolo and you told me that John Robolta was originally supposed to play the part and I love that movie so I was excited to ask you about that.

But we so yes, but I know you more from growing up as a peer of my father.

Well, a little younger.

Yeah.

But the, and Meshima.

Yeah, so Francis and George produced,

Meshymah, we did the pollist up there in San Francisco and of course I have all those

ties with Tom Luddy so that I was just back up there.

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