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The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever

“This is How Grooming Works”…. (From the Epstein Survivors’ Therapist)

The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever

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4.33.7K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Amy and T.J. sit down with Epstein survivor therapist Randee Kogan.  After working with dozens of his victims since as early as 2004, Kogan explains how Epstein manipulated her clients starting at ages as young as 13. Kogan goes into detail about the abuse these young women suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and now, by our own justice system.

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0:04.0

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0:08.5

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0:15.1

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0:18.5

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0:23.9

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0:27.4

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0:36.1

Hey there, folks, and welcome to this latest episode of Amy and T.J. presents. Today, it's about the Epstein

0:43.4

survivors who robs last week, just last week, we saw that press conference, powerful press

0:48.7

conference outside the U.S. Capitol, with many victims stepping forward, wanting more Epstein

0:54.0

files to be released.

0:56.1

And it's wild to think that these are victims who suffered, in some cases, decades ago,

1:01.9

who are still healing after decades, but are still as well being victimized, they say,

1:09.0

by what we're seeing in the press.

1:10.6

That's right. And there's a reason why we're just now seeing their faces and their names.

1:17.7

They have been anonymous. They were Jane Doe, number one, two, three, whatever,

1:22.7

because of all of the reasons why you tend to protect, obviously, victims of sexual abuse, sexual

1:29.2

assault, but also there's just so much fear surrounding this case, so much talk about powerful

1:35.3

men and powerful people being able to exact revenge, and just honestly for decades, not being

1:40.7

believed, not being heard, not being listened to. So it's a huge, huge deal that these women are finally stepping forward and putting their names and faces out there.

1:51.4

And that's scary.

1:52.4

And it can have unintended consequences.

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