This Is How Bondi Can Face Justice On Epstein Lies

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🗓️ 19 March 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Our listeners get the Flamingo Starter Set for just $7 at https://www.shopflamingo.com/beast #ad Joanna Coles speaks with legal analyst Glenn Kirschner about the legal chaos surrounding Donald Trump, as Chief Justice John Roberts issues a pointed but likely ineffective warning about attacks on the courts, underscoring a Supreme Court struggling to assert its authority. Meanwhile, Kristi Noem faces mounting scrutiny over potentially false testimony and a spiraling credibility crisis that could make leave her legally exposed, while Pam Bondi’s Justice Department is cast as an extension of Trump’s inner circle—accused of shielding allies, dodging accountability, and rewriting the rules of prosecution in real time. As legal norms erode and pressure builds across multiple fronts, Kirschner lays out how these converging flashpoints could determine whether the rule of law bends—or finally snaps under the weight of power. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	We have to go into court and we have to fight corruptly delivered pardons.
0:05.5	Even Bill Barr testified when asked that if Donald Trump delivered a pardon to somebody
0:11.3	who was covering up evidence of wrongdoing by Donald Trump put another way, using the pardon
0:18.3	to perhaps curry favor with or by the silence of somebody who
0:22.9	could implicate him.
0:24.1	Bill Barr said that would be improper.
0:27.0	That would be a crime.
0:28.5	A president can buy a co-conspirators' silence by delivering a presidential pardon.
0:36.2	Then we continue to move in the direction of the end of our
0:39.8	republic. Right. That is not what the pardon power ought to be able to do.
0:47.2	I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. And feel free to share this episode with a friend.
0:54.2	Don't forget to subscribe to The Daily Beast.
0:56.2	And please, when you've reached the end of this conversation, we would love you to leave a comment.
1:02.3	It's an important conversation about just what's going on at the center of our government,
1:08.3	how much criminality and how much grift is going on.
1:12.5	And today's guest is Glenn Kirshner, the host of Justice Matters. Yes, it does.
1:19.9	And, well, see if you recognize this voice from the clip. And it's important that our decisions are subjected to scrutiny, and they are.
1:32.7	The problem sometimes is that the criticism can move from a focus on legal analysis to personalities,
1:43.0	that it's more directed in a personal way, and that, frankly,
1:48.2	can be actually quite dangerous. Judges around the country work very hard to get it right,
1:56.0	and if they don't, their opinions are subject to criticism. But personally directed hostility is dangerous.
2:08.8	And it's got to stop.
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