What is up y'all and welcome to the WAN show we've got a fantastic show lined up for you all today the big news of course is Nvidia's

Unlaunch which I take to mean based on what they're doing is the opposite of a launch that's where you retract a launch they're

Unlaunch of the RTX 4080 12 gig we're going to be getting into the details of that in the other news.

Who the meta quest pro is going to be $1,500 but don't worry VR is going to be mainstream very soon very soon says mark.

There's too much AI or maybe not enough is that a main topic I want it to be really your little spat with you over your privacy.

What do you prefer here your little for your Microsoft surface event is that deeply intriguing to you are you do you get riled up in the morning about the Microsoft surface event Linus tell me more about the Microsoft surface event.

Do you know all the details of the Microsoft surface event okay all right all right let's just roll.

So no interest rolling had enough snark.

Why don't we jump right into the big topic today Nvidia's Unlaunch of the RTX 4080 12 gig.

First of all for context guys Nvidia announced the RTX 4090 4080 with 16 gigs of RAM and 4080 with 12 gigs of RAM at the same time.

But they were as they have done in previous generations planning to stagger out the actual availability of these cards as well as any specifics when it comes to performance as measured by third party reviewers like yo.

What that means then is that this card was not really it was announced but not necessarily actually launched.

And the reason that there's been a controversy and the reason that Nvidia has come out and said that we're going to we're not going to go ahead and launch this was that community members felt that the naming for the card was very misleading.

And honestly I I feel exactly the same way this is exactly what you and I talked about back when Nvidia launched the GTX 680 so that was like eight years ago nine years ago or something like that.

And the reason that we felt that way about it was that the GTX 680 did not feature a top tier diet didn't feature a big die version of Kepler.

It actually featured a size down die compared to the previous generation Fermi flagship the 580.

And so for us we were looking at it going hey we can now noticing this is more of like a 70 class card what yo what's the what's the deal with that because Nvidia has traditionally at least until quite recently reserved their eight number whether we're going all the way back to you know the 8800 GTX.

I mean even the 8800 GTX I believe used the G80 die if I recall correctly so so typically they reserved the number eight for their their top spec chip.

And it wasn't until the 680 as far as I remember anyway it could be a little fuzzy on the details that they went and they took a tier down chip and we're like yeah you know what we actually managed to improve performance so much generation over generation that we're going to take a second tier chip.

And we're going to we're going to brand it as a flagship.

So I do object to I do object to any naming scheme that is seems to be designed to intentionally mislead the consumer.

Now that I think about it we probably should have taken AMD to task for skipping a generation going from 5000 to 7000 with Ryzen.

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