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Hey, everybody. This is Ellie.

Each Friday on the third degree podcast, I speak with a rotating cast of some of the nation's

top law students about breaking legal news, compelling cases, and what it means to lead a life

in the law. Today, we're sharing a sample for my conversation with University of Alabama law

student, Kyra Perkins. To hear our full conversation and access all other cafe insider content,

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Since the last time I spoke with you, we have had the conclusion of the Derek Chauvin trial in Minneapolis. And you and I spoke about it in the middle of the trial your

last time on. And so I want to ask you how you took the verdict and how it felt for you and sort of what it means for you, bigger picture.

As a young person, as a young black woman, as a law student, talk to me a bit about what it meant to you.

As a law student, I would say that it was a really important moment for me for accountability.

I think that we have become so desensitized to a lot of these issues

because we're so used to seeing police officers get off for various acts of brutality.

And I think even more so as a black woman, it gave me hope.

It gave me a sense of pride in seeing somebody be held accountable. I will say that that was a

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