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Hey everyone, this is Ellie.

Each Friday on the third degree podcast, I speak with a rotating cast of some of the nation's top law students about breaking legal news, compelling cases, and what it means to lead a life

in the law. Today, we're sharing a sample for my conversation with University of Alabama law

school student, Kyra Perkins. To hear our full conversation and access all other cafe insider

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Kyra, I asked you to sort of think about if you had any questions for me as a more experienced,

grizzled trial veteran about the jury selection process. Yes, so I actually did what I love to do,

which is call anybody who's willing to talk to me about legal and political issues.

And my dad and I had a really important conversation about Batson challenges. Can you explain what that is,

how that works? Yeah, Batson is a crucial part of our criminal justice and constitutional process.

So when you're going through the jury selection process, like we're seeing now in the Chauvin case,

each juror gets examined. And then there's two ways they can be removed. One is what we call

for cause, meaning there's some obvious problem with this person.

If a person got up there and said, I've seen that tape, I think what the cop did was completely

legitimate and I'll never convict him, you would throw that juror off the case, for cause,

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