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WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Thinking With Machines

WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Gerard Baker, Editor at Large, The Wall Street Journal

Society & Culture, News

4.6591 Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Artificial intelligence has gone from science fiction to an everyday reality in a few years. As the technology advances and transforms almost everything we do, the need to understand its potential - and how to harness it - grows by the day.  On this episode of Free Expression, Gerry Baker speaks with New York University professor Vasant Dhar, author of a new book “Thinking With Machines: The Brave New World of AI”. They discuss the difference between using AI as an effective tool and becoming over reliant on it and ponder how it may more deeply entrench our economic and social divisions.    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Deloitte expects the space economy to reach $2 trillion by 2035.

0:04.5

Jason Gerzattis, CEO of Deloitte U.S., says that growth is fueled by data and its application

0:09.5

for businesses across industries.

0:11.3

What's exciting is that the data and the analytic and the commercial application of the data

0:16.1

will move to be more mainstream.

0:18.7

It will be something that organizations of any size can benefit from

0:22.2

the data that's being emitted from space that could be pertinent to their operation.

0:25.8

Visit Deloitte.com to learn how the space economy is creating new opportunities.

0:31.7

From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is Free Expression with Jerry Baker. Hello and welcome to Free Expression from the Opinion page of the Wall Street Journal. This is Free Expression with Jerry Baker.

0:38.5

Hello and welcome to free expression from the opinion page of the Wall Street Journal.

0:41.9

I'm Jerry Baker, editor at large of the journal. Thanks very much indeed for listening.

0:45.1

This week, we're going to take a deeper look at the familiar topic of artificial intelligence.

0:50.5

The world of AI has obviously moved with extraordinary speed in recent years from a vision of a future utopian or dystopian, however you like to think of it, to increasingly in everyday reality.

1:02.5

I'm sure like you, I find myself using AI more and more in my everyday life from researching data and information for my work to to chatting with various chatbots on everything

1:11.6

from music recommendations to the outlook for my favourite sports teams. We can see that the capabilities

1:17.7

of AI are simply advancing literally by the day, if not by the hour. It's recently been estimated,

1:24.5

in fact, that sometime in the past few months, the content on the

1:27.8

internet that's produced by AI actually overtook content produced by humans. And we know

1:33.2

that what we've seen so far is just a really just a distant glimpse of what's to come.

1:38.9

We're only in the very early infancy of the artificial intelligence age. Tech pioneers and experts differ still

1:46.2

on how exactly AI will transform our lives and work, but I think no one now really challenges

1:52.4

the basic proposition that it is indeed historically transformative. Unless you're planning to

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