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Arts & Ideas

Thinking with Food

Arts & Ideas

BBC

Society & Culture

4.2598 Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The links between food and philosophy, ideas about experimentation, taste and how food and traditions become part of our identity are explored by Matthew Sweet in Radio 4's round-table discussion programme. His guests are:

Author John Lanchester, who writes restaurant reviews and whose latest novel is called Look What You Made Me Do

Food writer Felicity Cloake, who writes a Cook the Perfect column for The Guardian newspaper and has published books called Red Sauce, Brown Sauce: A British Breakfast Odyssey, Peach Street to Lobster Lane: Coast to Coast in Search of Real American Cuisine and now her debut novel The Underdog.

Professor Barry Smith, director of the Institute of Philosophy at the University of London's School of Advanced Study

Philosopher Suki Finn, whose book What's in a Donut Hole? uses food to explore classic philosophical puzzles

Author Samantha Ellis, whose book Chopping Onions on My Heart is a memoir about Iraqi Jewish food, language and culture

Producer: Eliane Glaser

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:07.3

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0:12.7

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0:16.6

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0:18.5

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0:19.7

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0:22.6

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0:30.5

This is the Arts and Ideas podcast with me, Matthew Sweet. Oysters made Jean-Paul Sartre vomit.

0:37.1

He preferred beans and he didn't a stake with consequences.

0:40.8

David Hume's signature dish was mutton head broth. Derek Parfit used to make instant coffee

0:46.7

using the hot tap. So many great philosophers, so many dietary requirements. But what if we go

0:53.1

looking for philosophical ideas in food itself,

0:56.6

in the hole in a bagel, in the perfect chicken teakamasa, in the space between the potato

1:02.8

and the chip? This is the sort of thing we talk about in our office. Great, I said,

1:07.8

why don't we get all the guests in tonight to bring some food?

1:11.8

Ah, said the producer, so we can take each contribution and use the program to explore the

1:16.9

epistemology, the phenomenology, the history and the aesthetics of food. Yeah, I said,

1:23.1

and somebody might bring cake in. Anyway, what a haul, listeners, what a haul.

1:28.2

It's like the freethinking harvest festival tonight,

1:31.1

or maybe the free-thinking Chavot, the Jewish festival that celebrates the wheat harvest.

1:36.8

That's today.

1:37.9

And I can see there are sweet and savory items around the table.

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