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Wonder Cabinet

Thinking with Animals

Wonder Cabinet

Wonder Cabinet Productions

Society & Culture, Wonder, Philosophy, Ttbook, Knowledge, Interview

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2018

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Can we ever get inside the mind of an animal? Can we really know how an octopus or a parrot thinks? Also, the fascinating story of Charles Foster's attempt to act like a badger, when he lived in a hole in the ground and ate worms.

Guests:

Helen MacDonald,Charles Foster,Peter Godfrey-Smith,Elena Passarello,

Interviews:

Living Like a Beast,B is for Birdle (the Parrot),The Tentacled Alien From Under The Sea,Why Do We Love to Watch Animals?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Anne Strange Champs. It's to the best of our knowledge, and I want to play a sound for you. See if you can guess what this is.

0:13.8

Here's a hint. I'm at the zoo. I'm standing in the ape house at the Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, looking at and listening to a family of unbelievably noisy, white-cheeked gibbons.

0:27.9

So this is a mom, a dad, and three sons.

0:31.5

It's lunchtime, and they're swinging wildly from branch to branch.

0:36.3

Huge, graceful, swooping leaps,

0:38.7

and the whole time they're making this unearthly noise.

0:46.2

Now, I don't know if the gibbons are singing to each other

0:50.4

or yelling at us or what.

0:53.8

And it's that unknowability of wild animals that draws us to

0:57.7

them. Most of the time, seeing them in a zoo is about as close as we can get. But animal scientists

1:03.9

and naturalists are coming up with a few new ways. For instance, ever wondered what it's

1:09.7

like to be a badger?

1:15.8

Try living in a hole in the ground and eating worms.

1:24.4

When you put a worm into your mouth, it senses the heat as something sinister.

1:28.3

You'd have thought it might make a bid for freedom by going down into the deeper darkness that usually means home and safety and head for your esophagus. But it doesn't. It goes for the

1:33.7

gaps between your teeth. It thrashes, whirling one end like a centrifuge around the middle of its body.

1:39.1

It lashes your gums. Eventually, frustrated it curls up in the moist space next to the frenulum and considers its position.

1:47.0

If you open your mouth again, it'll be off, pressing its tail against the floor of your mouth like a sprinter pushing off from the blocks.

1:54.0

This is all disgusting.

1:56.0

When you bite into a worm for the first time, you expect the sort of performance that every angler knows, twisting, questing against the hook.

2:04.8

But it doesn't happen.

2:06.1

Even if, like me, you can't bring yourself to mash the worm with your molars and, as said, nip it gentlyly with your incisors, the main action is crushing.

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