Hello, it's Manvine here. Today I'm handing the podcast over to the journalist Emily Sargent

for part four of her special investigation. If you haven't heard the early parts, do

go back and have a listen. She's looking at a fascinating and, until now, extremely

secretive practice that still takes place all over the country. Conversion therapy.

This is Thinking Straight.

Last episode on Thinking Straight. You're lying there by yourself. Totally emotionally

traumatized, shaking from head to toe. No one's coming to see if you're okay.

The therapist's idea was that you would work through any issues you'd had and through

that you would then reach your true self, which innately was a heterosexual himself.

His family believed that Bingei was some sort of disease that had to be removed, that

had to be got rid of. They'd heard you on video programmes in the UK.

Conversion therapy is any attempt to change or suppress someone's sexuality or gender

identity. The kind that most often takes place all over Britain seems to sound a lot

like talking therapy, but with a sickening twist. This time, I'm the one in the therapist's

chair. You're listening to Thinking Straight,

a special investigative podcast from the Times and the Sunday Times. I'm Emily Sargent.

Today, going undercover, part two.

Before we begin, a content warning, the following episode explores traumatic experiences

and includes references to suicide.

I somehow managed to lock myself out of my own meeting.

Oh, it's technology, isn't it? That's Carol, not her real name.

And for the last six weeks, I've been secretly recording our therapy sessions to find out

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