Well, I better get gone. Your show's almost on.

Get ready to jump into the jury box.

This time for the Please Convince Me Podcast.

The only Apologetics Podcast hosted by a cold case homicide detective.

It's time for some clear thinking Christianity as we explore an evidential faith in Jesus Christ together.

Here's the host of the Please Convince Me podcast, J. Warner Wallace.

If what I think is happening is happening, it better not be.

Well, here we are again at If you please convince me a podcast. Thanks so much for joining us.

I'm Jay Warner Wallace. Good to have you back with us. We have been talking about Christmas

the last couple of weeks and we're ramping up toward Christmas and I thought

you know this is going to be a little bit different today I'm going to instead of

podcasting on a particular topic I occasionally will interview an author and one of my

favorites and I've done interviews with him before is

Jonathan Morrow and I'm picking this topic today because I've been

digging through you know it's like like all of you I've got a list of people I want to

buy gifts for coming up to Christmas and I want the gifts to be meaningful.

So sometimes you're looking at the individual nature of each person you're buying a gift for and trying to find just that perfect gift, right?

And sometimes you're trying to find a gift that and trying to find just that perfect gift, right?

And sometimes you're trying to find a gift that's meaningful that will actually, if utilized,

will actually be transformative.

And I think that because if we're getting close to that you know shopping season we're already in it

and Christmas is coming up and even after Christmas if you're listening to this

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