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This is open to debate. I'm John Donvan. Hi, everybody. So part of being human is the debate we

have with ourselves about whether the path we're on in life is going to yield the best and perhaps the happiest version of life.

And if we lose ourselves on that path, how do we get back onto it?

That is the subject of this episode, a conversation with author and social scientist Arthur Brooks, which we're doing as part of our Think Twice series. This is where

we invite guests on to tease out the moments that made them stop and rethink everything,

and in this case, the meaning of life. And I am delighted to tell you that conducting this interview

will be open to debate's very own CEO, Leah Mathau. Leah, over to you.

Thanks so much, John.

Hi, everybody.

I'm your guest moderator and Open to Debate CEO, Leah Mathel.

As listeners well know, we mainly stage debates here, but once in a while, we like to go

in another direction that is adjacent

to our core mission of curiosity. We bend the conversation frame a bit to feature works

of intellectual rigor that provide us a different model for thinking twice and thinking critically

about core assumptions impacting our lives. That's why we're delighted to have with us today,

Arthur C. Brooks, to explore the themes of a book relevant to all of us, the meaning of your life,

finding purpose in an age of emptiness. Arthur has lived many professional lives. He once played

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