For years, men have been told to stay strong, to keep it in, to don't show weakness, and now suddenly we're asking them to open up and wondering why they aren't. Well, today we are going to open up because myself, Spencer Matthews, the host of Untapped, and Matt Willis, the host of On The Men, are going to have a conversation that a lot of men are still not having. What you're actually feeling, why it's so hard to say things out loud

and how we can start to change it. This is part of the Say It Loudor Initiative, a partnership

with better help across the next few months, bringing these kinds of conversations to light

and making a real measurable difference to men's mental health. Let's get straight into it.

Right, shall we break the ice?

Are either of you currently in therapy?

Do you know what? I'm not right now.

I have been recently, but I'm not at the moment.

But I've been in therapy a lot in my life.

Yeah, but I'm not right now at this moment. Similar to you, Matt, I've kind of had periods of my life where I've been in therapy a lot in my life. Yeah, but I'm not right now at this moment.

Similar to you, Matt, I've kind of had periods of my life where I've been in therapy,

you know, like once a week for an hour, every week.

And I'm not right now, although I still have contact with my therapist.

There are times in my life where I feel like I need it more than other

times, but also I'm a massive believer in having it when you're not in crisis, when you don't

feel you need it, like a kind of maintenance act almost. I actually quite like the sitting

with him in this case

and just talking completely openly about yourself for a full hour.

It's quite refreshing.

My wife would say that I'm selfish anyway, but it's quite hard.

Never had you doubt if someone who wants to talk about himself for an hour, did you?

You know what I mean?

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