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Hello and welcome to DSR. I'm David Rothkoff. I'm your host. And today we're going to do something a little different here at DSR. It's just going to be a conversation between me and Rosa Brooks. Now, you might think that's great. The more Rosa, the better. That's the way I look at this. Is that what you think, Rosa? I was just thinking our listeners are going to think correctly that nobody else wants to talk to us, David.

Well, that's not correct. What was when we had set this up with Ed to talk with you,

because we always try to have two or three people here. And Ed literally moments ago ditched us. And then I thought, Rose is at least twice as

interesting as Ed. I thought Ed means Ed is cooler than we are because he has more important

things to do. Well, that shows that you've spent time in the U.S. government. You know, when I was in the U.S.

government back in the Rutherford-Baheis administration, it was a very common thing for the

powerful ones, the neurotic ones who wanted to say they were powerful, to show up latest to the

meeting and to leave earliest. And by, you know, the, and by the way,

this, you know, at Kissinger Associates, when I worked at Kissinger Associates, they told me that it

used to be when it was just Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft and Larry Eagleberger at Kissinger

Associates, that they could never have a meeting.

Because everybody wanted to arrive for Lee Verlius,

which would meet meetings to kind of...

And that's what happened, is one would walk into the room,

see the other two weren't there, said,

I'm not going to be the first one here, and they would leave.

And so they never had it. For me, my experience was, in going to all the deputies meetings that I used

to go to on the economic site, that invariably the last person into the meeting was Larry

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