Hi, I'm Otto. Welcome to Ellen Sarah's podcast.

All right. Today I'm very excited because I am newly obsessed with. I've been talking a lot

about DBT therapy. Talk about. Yeah. Well, it's really helped me. And so we have Dr. Maddie

Elberger, who is a DBT therapist for the last eight years. And she is also a professor at Columbia

University, if you've ever heard of it. I think you hear this and you're going to be like,

I don't care about DBT. I don't want to hear about this. I'm going to just skip past this episode,

which is how I would feel. No, I don't think that actually people are going to feel it all. They're

going to be like, Oh, I need a DBT episode because they aren't keep saying how it's changing

your life. Right. But what you don't realize, yes, is that DBT, you can use it for so many things

in your life that are relatable, right? Like jealousy, focusing on your very goals of me, maybe

your jealousy on this episode of me. I'm going to really try to be less jealous of you. It's going

to be hard. How will you do it? Okay. Just listen, people. Maybe Maddie helps me get past my

list. Okay. Without what they're going to do, I get over jealousy.

Hi. Hey guys. All right. I just want to start this out by saying I already feel a little bit

alienated just because Aaron is so immersed in DBT therapy. You're obviously an expert. People are

so curious about it. It feels very mysterious. I really know nothing about it. So I'm going to be

I'm going to be the real audience member here because this is a part of Aaron's life

that she's kind of kept to herself. Her DBT therapist is very also very mysterious. No,

I keep it to myself. I feel like I talk about it. That's how Maddie knew to reach out of it. No,

but I don't know. You and I don't really talk about it. I don't know. But it's like, it's changed

your life. It's literally made you a much easier person to be around. So I'm just excited for

everything. As a veiled insult. I mean, that's like the best thing I've ever heard, but like also

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