Hi, everybody. Welcome to the librarian is in the New York Public Library's podcast about books, culture and what to read next.

Nice. Good one. I'm Gwen. I'm Frank.

And today we are super excited to talk to you Carolyn Broomhead, who is the research community manager at NYPL.

She also has a PhD in English and American literature.

And she is one of my favorite people at the library.

We used to share in office.

Those were the good old days. And we can't wait to talk to you. I'm delighted to be here. Thanks for inviting me. Thanks for coming. So this was born, this idea was born like... This was born out of one of the guests we had who was a professor teaching at Jefferson Market,, like two months ago. Her guessing game,

she brought in a poem by John Dunn that I got. I don't know how, but I did. Because you're a

genius, clearly. Well, she gave a lot. We also, if we don't get it, we asked for a million clues.

And she said something like metaphysical poets. And I, somewhere in my head, I thought, oh, right, John Dunn.

And then I know I was excited to, because we have had good experiences with poetry.

And you have, and I have.

And I thought we should do another read the same thing and discuss it

rather than bringing each other

different titles. And I was like, let's do John Donne. And you were like, ah, ah. And because you

love to make me as uncomfortable as possible, this episode was born. I was like twisting your arm.

Yes. You agreed. Thank you. But we'll go into my issues or whatever later but about poetry or i'm glad you have

that phdd because you're going to have to deal with it dr brumann paging dr brumet you're

going to go for her issues poetry issues only please oh okay okay well isn't everything a poetry issue

thank you yes if it's about life, it's about

poetry. There, Gwen. Thanks, good setup. Um, actually, we just, we're going to try to start

with our question that we always start with people, which is sort of how did you make your way

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