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Hey there, it's JVL. On the secret show with Sarah Longwell today, we talked about

Will Heard and what Ron DeSantis's polling numbers mean and a new survey from pew

that really gets at the heart of what Democrats and Republicans really want.

Here's the show.

But this morning I want to start with something good which is this morning will

heard just a few moments ago was on CNN and he told Caitlin Collins no I

won't support Donald Trump if he's the nominee.

Yeah, that's great.

Isn't that great?

Isn't that what we want?

Yeah, so I gotta say, I do think, I want to give a little credit here to Chris Christie because I think what

Chris Christie did was build some permission structures within the primary field to start

going after Donald Trump.

And I think that it is giving, you know, a little courage

to some other people, right?

Like now there's Aisa, Will, and Christie who are all saying they not only,

they won't support Donald Trump. Christie, I actually really like his whole like,'ll sign the pledge but I'm not going to

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