Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So whether you're a grizzled veteran, getting your $5,000 Neumann microphone service at the

repair shop, or else a scrappy upstart, rapidly unplugging and plugging in your USB mic to

get it to work.

This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most and ironclad

excuse to put off, actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the first Friday of November 2021 and I thank you for joining us.

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