I'm Sarah Kensier, the author of the bestsellers, the view from fly over country, and hiding in plain sight, and of the new book, they knew Conspiracy Keeps America Complacent, which is out today.

So you can go ahead and get that now.

And I'm Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker, and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller, Mr. Jones.

The film, The Kremlin doesn't want you to see,

and we know this because it keeps shutting down screenings.

And this is Gaslit Nation,

a podcast covering corruption in the United States

and rising autocracy around the world.

And today we're joined by a very special guest,

my co-host, Sarah Kensier, the author of her latest book, They New.

This interview begins as a dark and stormy night.

This is the closest, Sarah, that you'll probably ever come to writing a Stephen King novel,

only it's real and it's about American history.

Yeah, I mean, my dream is that for all of our predictions that we've made over the last

four years together to be wrong and for the United States to, you know, turn into a true democracy,

and then I will actually write a fictional Stephen King type novel. But yeah, for now,

unfortunately, hiding in plain sight and they knew we'll have to

suffice for that. Yeah. And so if you're into Gothic ghost stories, if you're into travel

journals, if you're into haunted American road trips, this is the book for you. It is a page turner. It is

gripping and it's filled with real life monsters, which is a chilling reminder that throughout

American history, Donald Trump has been the norm.

Absolutely.

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